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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2007, 10:57:07 PM »
Great question to ask. This is is one of two questions I think that really differentiate the denominations as well as the religions. The other is how are our sins forgiven?  The way i see it there are 2 options either Jesus is who He claimed to be on many occasions and is the Son of God. Or he is not a prophet at all and it was all a scam. Because if He is who He claims to be then He is truly the Way the Truth and the Light and no one would get to the Father without His help. But if He isn't then he is not a good guy or just another prophet or any of those things because if He is a prophet of God then what He says has to be true or He is a false prophet. And in those days being a false prophet wasn't an ok thing or something for good people. I think it is all or nothing either He is the messiah that He claimed to be or He is just a false prophet or a wolf in sheep clothing. I believe that He is who He says He is. One of those things being My savior. 

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2007, 07:50:35 PM »
The original "Jesus" would not have claimed to be God, since he was a Jew.  A Jew would never claim to be Yahweh or the son of Yahweh.  That would be blasphemy.  Even the "Jesus" that we know in the New Testament writings did not claim to be God.  He called himself "the son of man."  The priests of the Roman church are the ones who wrote or doctored up the gospel so that "Jesus" takes on the role of God and savior.  The "Jesus" in the Bible is not the real man who taught people to love one another.  This "Jesus" did not exist except in the minds of the writers who changed the scriptures.  You cannot blame a man who did not exist for what was written about him.  The real "Jesus" would not have made these claims.

In 2 Samuel:3, David says," My God is my rock.  I shall take refuge in Him.  My shield and my horn of salvation, my secure height, and my place for flight, my savior; from violence you save me."  In verse 32, he says, "For who is God besides Yahweh?nbsp; And who is a rock besides our God?quot;   In Isaiah 43:8-10, Yahweh says: "Bring forth a people blind though eyes themselves exist, and the ones deaf though they have ears. (9) Let the nations (us) all be collected together at one place and let national groups be gathered together.  Who is there among them that can tell this?nbsp; Or can they cause us to hear even the first things?nbsp; Let them furnish their witnesses that they may be declared righteous, or let them hear and say, 'it is the truth.' "
(10)  "You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Yahweh" even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and  that you may understand that I am the same one.  Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. (11) I--I am Yahweh and besides me there is no savior." 

There is a false prophet, but it was not the real "Jesus".  It is the people who make these false claims about him--who inserted all of the claims that he is God or savior.  They did it after all the disciples were dead, and they killed anyone who could dispute what they wrote.  All of this happened before the Bible the common man was allowed to read the Bible.

You have the privilege of believing whatever you wish.  However, if you study your Old Testament (and if you do not study it, why is it there?) you will find that it is repeated many times that Yahweh is and will always be the only true God and savior.  It says that the Gentiles (us) or the nations will believe a lie.  This is repeated in the New Testament.
The New Testament is based on the Old Testament.  If you do not believe the Old Testament, then perhaps you should just cut your Bible in two and leave out the Old Testament... Throw it in the garbage. Then you can start studying The Mysteries and find out more about your god.  Why do you think Babylon The Great has "Mystery" written on her forehead?nbsp; Because she is the Mystery Religion in disguise.  She sits on 7 mountains.  That's Rome.  She's "the mother of harlots."  she is "drunk with the blood of the saints."  Rome and the Roman church is drunk with the blood of the saints.  The Roman Church is the mother of all the churches that came out of her...all the protestant churches.  Why in the world would anyone think that God's organization could possibly come out of Rome?nbsp; The Roman government killed "Jesus", all of his disciples and the early Christians.  Why would they suddenly start a religion around the man they killed unless it was to change him into something that he was not in order to strengthen their government?  They did it because the early (Jewish) Christians had a tremendous following.  Otherwise, would they not have just kept him alive?nbsp; The early Christians, as well as "Jesus" and his disciples, were a threat to the Roman government.  That's why they killed them.  Why would a murderer like Constantine endorse the Christian church?nbsp; He changed the doctrine to blend it in with the pagan story.  Surely if you read the Old Testament at all, you know that the pagans were God's enemies all through history, and the enemies of God's people, the Jews.  Although the prophets said themselves that God was angry with His people, He promised to bring them back to Israel and restore the kingdom.  There was a "time for the Gentiles."  It was prophesied that it would be over. 

The reason that Yahweh was angry with Israel was because they were doing the very same thing that Christians are doing today.  They were worshiping the same false gods that the "Jesus" of the church was patterned after.  They were weeping for Tammuz (the Easter story.)  They were worshiping a trinity of gods--three gods in one--Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.  They were worshiping a baby born of a virgin whose father was a god (the Christmas story)  They were bowing down to the sun. Easter and Christmas are in honor of the sun god.  See Ezekiel 8:12-16.  Yahweh says to Ezekiel,  verse 18," And I myself also shall act in rage.  My eye will not feel sorry, neither will I feel compassion..  And they will certainly call out in my ears with a loud voice, but I shall not hear them."  And then Yahweh told the man with the inkhorn (repeated in Revelation) to put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it (the city).  Those who continue to do these things today will also receive this mark.  Remember the mark of the beast?nbsp; That is the mark.       
I implore you to use your heads for something besides to hold your hat. 


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Fancy_Flo

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2007, 08:14:05 PM »
Graybeard said quoting Fancy,

and others never quote a scripture or give any proof for what they say

Then he said:
That's not true, I have often given scriptural references. BTW, your last post left out John 13:44-45 Then Jesus  cried aloud:"Whoever believes not in me but in him who sent me. And whoever sees me sees him who sent me."

Fancy says:  Thank you for the scripture.  To me, what "Jesus" is saying is that  he is only repeating what Yahweh said in the Hebrew scriptures.  "and whoever sees me sees Him who sent me."  We are all children of God...even atheists and agnostics, pagans and people of all faiths.  Did I leave anyone out?  Since according to the Bible, we are made in the image of God, anyone could make that statement.  He is not saying that when you see him you see God, because he referred to himself as the son of man.  You are a son of God (if you do find a place that he called himself that.)  I am a daughter of God.  We are not God.  When he says "whoever believes not in me but in Him who sent me, he is saying, "don't believe in me, but believe in the one who sent me."

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2007, 09:57:33 PM »
Read the first chapter of the Gospel of John.  "In the beginning was the Word"  "The Word was God"  and later in the next few chapters  "The Word became Flesh".  Jesus was God and man at the same time.  The Trinity is like us.  We are created in God's image.    We have a mind, soul and body.  When we die the soul leaves us.  Some points our mind is different, also.  But we are still ourselves.  You cant make three different people out of us, although there are that many parts to us.  God is three parts, he is God the Father (the creator, the mindset)  God the Son (the ruler, the saviour)  and God the Holy Spirit (that leads and directs us, also abides within believers).  A smart man once said " if you try to explain or understand the Trinity you will go nuts.  Deny it and you will go to hell"

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2007, 02:01:29 PM »
It is a great question to debate.. 
My only hope is I make it to heaven and if I do then I will ask the question, but I really don't think I will be to anxious to here the answer with all the splender and glory of Heaven I will see.


Farther along we'll know all about it.
Farther along we'll understand why.
Cheer up my brother...........

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2007, 04:20:41 PM »
Mind you, I am in no way a religious person and those who know me will tell you I will probably being begging for just a drop of water to wet my tongue.   
But the previous post was just my humble opinion from the days of old, when I did grace the Church house with my presence.


If I went now the rafters would fall on my head. *13*


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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2007, 08:22:51 PM »
Mind you, I am in no way a religious person and those who know me will tell you I will probably being begging for just a drop of water to wet my tongue.   
But the previous post was just my humble opinion from the days of old, when I did grace the Church house with my presence.


If I went now the rafters would fall on my head. *13*


 *eek5*

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Fancy_Flo

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2007, 09:30:18 PM »
Sig says:
Jesus was God and man at the same time.

Fancy says:So were all the Mystery gods.  That is why Babylon The Great has "Mystery" written on her forehead.  The OT tells us these were false gods.  The Egyptian Pharaohs were man-gods.  Nimrod was  a man god, part of a trinity, son of god, child of a virgin.  Many kings were worshiped as god, including Alexander The Great.  Before Constantine, Christians did not all believe that "Jesus" was a god, or that he was God.  Constantine, a murderer of his own family was the one who caused that to be decided. 

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2007, 09:47:04 PM »
Religions have many similarities which  is to be expected. The difference is; Jesus was proven to be both God and man at the same time.   Jesus' resurrection defeated the power of sin and death for mankind.  Having 500 eye witnesses to whom He appeared after his death  makes this particular religious story believable.  The pagan religious stories passed down are just that---stories not too be taken seriously.

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2007, 09:58:14 PM »
Jesus was both the Father God and the Son of God.  The Holy Ghost as well.

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2010, 08:22:51 PM »
Most do not read John 11 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
  There is the Heavenly Father (Spirit being) and there was the word (sprit being) Both of the God head.  The word was the one who became Jesus in the NT.  He was the one that did the work in the OT & NT.  They have always been.  The word became flesh (Jesus) the son of God.  He knows the Fathers wishes and He carries them out.  THere is The Heavenly Father and Jesus (Jesus one doing all the action) and the Holy sprit is just them living in us.  John 1 painly tells us Jesus was the one of the God head doing the work.  He did the creation,He wrote the 10 Commandments with His finger.  They are not Moses laws they are God's laws written by the one who became Jesus with HIs finger in stone and given to Moses to give to the people.  Moses was the inbetween not the giver of the law.   

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2010, 11:22:56 PM »
Jesus was a half breed, half human, half God.

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2010, 07:19:53 AM »
Jesus was a half breed, half human, half God.

 How do you come to these conclusions?

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Re: Was Jesus God or a man?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2010, 07:28:17 AM »
Good grief, really had to dig hard to bring back this topic from three years ago.

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