Topic: SATAN’S #1 TARGET

[katwoman]

And as for women preachers:
The Bible says what it means and means what it says.

Women are not permitted to be pastors.

     1 Timothy 2:12
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

God will never call a woman to be a pastor, because this would be going against His own Word.

I disagree with your take on a woman not teaching or preaching in the church. What about all the women God did use in the Bible to teach and lead men to a higher understanding of His Word? God does not lie nor does He decieve His people. A person who is called by God to preach or to teach is to be obident to His word,not your thoughts.I am not trying to argue with you or anyone on this subject,but I disagree with you .I had a woman preacher who God used to teach and preach. She is gone now and many a man said she was anointed by God to bring forth His Word to many a lost soul. She was a great woman .God used her to do His will and she did it to the best of her ability.There is no male nor female with God,only willing souls.
 
quote by bigape:
"Well to be more precise, I don’t believe that anyone in the Bible, ever spoke in tongues like people do today.The Bible makes it very clear, that this gift, was the ability to speak in an earthly language, that you previously didn’t know. This stuff that they call tongues today, is totally man made."
I agree with you on the fact that many are a man made religion,but there are some churchs that follow God as best they can. Remember: Church people are human too,they all make mistakes. None are perfect in another mans eyes. What counts is whether God is pleased with their conduct. But there are Churchs that do still practise the tongues, the Church I attend is one . Yes,there are counterfit out there  and there are true God following people out there as well.

Let me ask you a question bigape: What is your belief of a man/woman being divorced/widowed,remarring someone who has a living spouce, and preaching the Word of God?


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[notatroll]

Katwoman, are you familar with the non-denominational Church of Christ?

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[katwoman]

N.A.T. no I am not. Why do you ask?

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[bigape]

Hi katwoman

You asked............
“Let me ask you a question bigape: What is your belief of a man/woman being divorced/widowed,remarring someone who has a living spouce, and preaching the Word of God?

Well, this is several questions in one:
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(1)What is your belief of a man being divorced and remarring someone who has a living spouce, and preaching the Word of God?

If your only talking about “preaching”: Than the word of God has nothing to say about it.
But if your talking about being a pastor of a Church, the Bible says.........
          1 Timothy 3:1-7
V.1 ¶ This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
V.2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
V.3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
V.4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
V.5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
V.6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
V.7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

These are not suggestions: But they are qualifications:
V.2 “the husband of one wife”
This means a divorced man, that is remarried, should not be a pastor.
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(2)What is your belief of a woman, preaching the Word of God?

If your talking about preaching or teaching to other women or children, the Bible supports that.
But if your talking about being a pastor of a Church, or teaching men in a Sunday School class, the Bible clearly forbids it, in several places:
Here is one..........
        1 Timothy 2:12
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

Regardless of how today’s society might look at this, God clearly forbids it.
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(3) What is your belief of a man being widowed, and remarring someone who has a living spouce, and preaching the Word of God?

Although the qualifications for a pastor do not apply to his wife’s history: The Bible does have something to say about it...........
       Luke 16:18
“Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.”
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The instructions we have in the Bible, are God’s instructions to His people.

You can do what you want, but anytime that you ignore the Bible’s clear instructions, God will not be blessing you.


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[notatroll]

N.A.T. no I am not. Why do you ask?

Some of your questions hit right in their area of beliefs.  As does some of BA's beliefs. Nothing wrong with it.  I was just curious.

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[notatroll]

Hi Graybeard

Nice to hear from you.

Your first asked........

“Why did you use verses 23 and 24? Those deal with our everday living, not just church.”

Well, it has to do with context.
The first reason, is because verses 23 & 24 don’t end with a period “.” .
(Which tells you right off, that they all go together).
Secondly, “hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering”, is one of the reasons we should go to Church.
(People who drop out of Church, will start “wavering” in their faith!)

Thirdly, the statement, “let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works”, is laterally accomplished by going to Church.
(We can’t encourage people to live for the Lord, if we aren’t doing it.)
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Your next question was.......

“What kind of Church doesn't believe the Bible”

This is a great question.

What it comes down to is, the difference between a Church’s profession and their practice.

A Church may profess to be a “Bible believing Church”, but the things they do, will determine if they really are.

There are so many examples of this, it is difficult of point out just a few. (But here goes.)

Any Church, that doesn’t baptize by immersion: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that baptizes infants: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that has a woman pastor: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)

Now, some may call these “bold” statements, but they really aren’t.
(Because the Bible clearly teaches that water baptism, is by immersion only!)
(Also, the Bible nowhere condones, the practice of infant baptism!) Not one time.
(And the Bible, makes it very clear, that a woman is forbidden, to pastor a Church!)
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Now I know, that countless millions of people, attend Churches that practice one of more of these things:
 But does that make it right?!?!

My advice to these people, is if your going to believe and follow “the Bible”, than do it.

BA the Bible does not tell us the christening or dedication of infants is wrong or a sin.  Many things are assumed when it comes to other religions and their beliefs.  Some things Churches do are symbolic but not necessarily sinful.  For instance instruments in a Church.  The Bible only speaks of certain instruments.  So some Churches do not use the instruments of today because they would rather be safe than sorry.  While others do use instruments.  This is a matter of choice rather than sinning or not being of the Bible.  Why? because you have to look at the time the Bible was written and who many of the scriptures were written for.  You also have to look at the fact the Bible has been translated many times and it was "men" translating.  Thus there will be misinterpretations of certain words, phrases, and sentence structure.   

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[Graybeard]

These are not suggestions: But they are qualifications:
V.2 “the husband of one wife”
This means a divorced man, that is remarried, should not be a pastor.

Maybe, maybe not. You have to remember the culture when this was written. It was not uncommon for men to have more than one wife at the same time.

BA, you said in an earlier post that RC answered well about Deborah. How can you say that? It is very obvious that she was much more than a civil authority.

You be honest and tell me, are these the words of a civil leader, or a prophet?

Jdg 4:14     And Deb'orah said to Barak, "Up! For this is the day in which the LORD has given Sis'era into your hand. Does not the LORD go out before you?" So Barak went down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him.

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[katwoman]

No offence taken N.A.T. I am just as curious as how you and others think and believe  as you are of how I think and believe. No harm done. Ask away !

BA. I know all thoses verses and know them quiet well. Studied them . What I was asking you was what YOU believe. Me? I Believe that if a man or woman has a living spouce they are not free to marry.
In the KJV Version it says :Luk 16:18  Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.
As I said to N.A.T. I am just curious about how others believe .What a person says and how they act are two totally different things,sometimes.  You gave good answers .Not saying you dont ,but I hope you live what you are saying here on this board.Many a person will say one thing and a little later I will read a reply of theirs and words will be in that reply that I think are not of the Christian way.

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[notatroll]

No offence taken N.A.T. I am just as curious as how you and others think and believe  as you are of how I think and believe. No harm done. Ask away !

BA. I know all thoses verses and know them quiet well. Studied them . What I was asking you was what YOU believe. Me? I Believe that if a man or woman has a living spouce they are not free to marry.
In the KJV Version it says :Luk 16:18  Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.
As I said to N.A.T. I am just curious about how others believe .What a person says and how they act are two totally different things,sometimes.  You gave good answers .Not saying you dont ,but I hope you live what you are saying here on this board.Many a person will say one thing and a little later I will read a reply of theirs and words will be in that reply that I think are not of the Christian way.

Kat, you will find I am very versitile in my beliefs.  Also you will find often times that people on forums will take an opposite stance...just to find out what others do believe.  Often times people label things  as wrong or a sin.   Not because the Bible says.  But because that is what they want/choose to believe or interpret.  They take things out of context and twist them to their own desires. 

Now that said you will find that I am a "cut up" life is to short to be "serious" about "everything".   

People are given free will and the choices they make ....they must live with - in all aspects.  None of us can "save" anyone.  That is between them and God.    I believe no man or woman has the right to judge or condem, and if they do try then they have too much time on their hands.  They should be looking in their own closets.  Humans are not perfect and will make mistakes until the day they die.  Therefore there will always be sin and wrong in the world.  IMHOP!  
I hope you enjoy the forum.  Don't  be afraid to jump right in  they like to "mess" with each other.  But these folks here are the Best and you can learn alot as I am sure you have seen.

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[Graybeard]

I believe no man or woman has the right to judge or condem, and if they do try then they have too much time on their hands

I agree with that, But... to judge or condemn someone is very often misconstrued on these forums. For example, the woman from Florida we discussed in another thread. The woman has admitted to adultery. If I say that's wrong and contrary to God's will for us, that's not judging her, as so many on here would be quick to accuse me of. On the other hand, if I say her adultery has condemned her to hell, now that's judgement. There's quite a difference between the two statements, differences that non Christians like to ignore and lump together.

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[notatroll]

I believe no man or woman has the right to judge or condem, and if they do try then they have too much time on their hands

I agree with that, But... to judge or condemn someone is very often misconstrued on these forums. For example, the woman from Florida we discussed in another thread. The woman has admitted to adultery. If I say that's wrong and contrary to God's will for us, that's not judging her, as so many on here would be quick to accuse me of. On the other hand, if I say her adultery has condemned her to hell, now that's judgement. There's quite a difference between the two statements, differences that non Christians like to ignore and lump together.

 I agree there is a difference. I just hate to hear someone say "He/she is going to hell"  to me that is wrong.

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[Graybeard]

I agree there is a difference.

Not just a difference, a big difference.

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[libby]

Well said nota.

libby


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[notatroll]

Well said nota.

libby

Thank you Libby!

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[big red]

Can I join in the friendly melee here?

Regarding the selection of deacons, I Timothy 3:12 also says that they should be the husband of one wife. 

Pretty straight forward.

Now, I know what I believe, but I am curious as to what you other folks would believe about:

What if the guy was divorced before he became a Christian?  Is he still disqualified? 

He's married, divorced, then gets remarried, then becomes a Christian.  Would not the sin of being divorced be removed from him as far as the east is from the west, just like all the other sins he committed before he was a Christian?
Opinions?

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