Topic: SATAN’S #1 TARGET

[bigape]

      Let me start by warning you about Satan; Satan hates you, and he is a liar, and he will do anything he can, to get you to mess your life up.   If he stuck, to only tempting us to sin, he might not be so dangerous, but he doesn’t stop there.   -He is pro-active.-

     Just as some health insurance companies, have learned, that if they convince us to take better care of ourselves, it helps them in the long run.  Satan has also learned, that if he can trick us into Spiritually unhealthy habits, then it will help his cause, in the long run.
  -The #1 area, where Satan can cause us the most trouble in our Spiritual life, is in our Church attendance.-

      The LORD has made it very clear to us, that He wants us in Church, every time it’s doors are open:.......

     Hebrews 10:23-25
V.23  Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering;
 (for he is faithful that promised;)
V.24  And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
V.25  Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;
 but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

     In this passage, we are told, to “Not forsake the assembling of ourselves together”:  How much clearer could the LORD make it.  This means not forsaking Sunday morning, or Sunday night or Wednesday night(if your Church has one).

      Now lets talk about, what happens, if you disobey this command: First of all, we can
can state, by the authority of God’s Word, that any born again Christian, that willfully forsakes the Church, is practicing unconfessed sin. (That means, that your in sin, and you know it.)   The worse thing about forsaking the Church, is how it will blind you, to your own sin, because your not, regularly hearing the preaching of God’s Word.

      The unseen harm, of “forsaking the assembling of ourselves together”, is how it will cut us off, from God’s blessings and light. Just as, if you spend enough time in a dark room, you will soon learn to get around without the light.  Just because you seem to be getting along okey, without Church, doesn’t mean that everything is okey.  -It’s not!-

      One more thing: If you have never trusted Jesus Christ as your savior, and have been born again, just going to Church won’t get you to heaven.  Church attendance is something we do, in obedience to Christ, after we are saved, not to get saved.  I know it is getting harder and harder, to find a good Bible believing/Bible preaching Church, but this is something that we must do, if we want to be “Spiritually healthy”.


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[Graybeard]

I agree 100% that we should attend church regularly, but I do have a couple of questions. Why did you use verses 23 and 24? Those deal with our everday living, not just church. One more thing, I'm always hearing this Bible believing Church statement. I have been fortunate to visit a lot of Church's in southern WV and southwest VA and have yet been to one that wasn't Bible believing, or Bible preaching. What kind of Church doesn't believe the Bible or use it for it's teaching? I'm talking about Christian church's, not unitarian or any nonsense like that.

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[bigape]

Hi Graybeard

Nice to hear from you.

Your first asked........

“Why did you use verses 23 and 24? Those deal with our everday living, not just church.”

Well, it has to do with context.
The first reason, is because verses 23 & 24 don’t end with a period “.” .
(Which tells you right off, that they all go together).

Secondly, “hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering”, is one of the reasons we should go to Church.
(People who drop out of Church, will start “wavering” in their faith!)

Thirdly, the statement, “let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works”, is laterally accomplished by going to Church.
(We can’t encourage people to live for the Lord, if we aren’t doing it.)
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Your next question was.......

“What kind of Church doesn't believe the Bible”

This is a great question.

What it comes down to is, the difference between a Church’s profession and their practice.

A Church may profess to be a “Bible believing Church”, but the things they do, will determine if they really are.

There are so many examples of this, it is difficult of point out just a few. (But here goes.)

Any Church, that doesn’t baptize by immersion: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that baptizes infants: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that has a woman pastor: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)

Now, some may call these “bold” statements, but they really aren’t.
(Because the Bible clearly teaches that water baptism, is by immersion only!)
(Also, the Bible nowhere condones, the practice of infant baptism!) Not one time.
(And the Bible, makes it very clear, that a woman is forbidden, to pastor a Church!)
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Now I know, that countless millions of people, attend Churches that practice one of more of these things:
 But does that make it right?!?!


My advice to these people, is if your going to believe and follow “the Bible”, than do it.


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[Graybeard]

Any Church, that doesn’t baptize by immersion: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that baptizes infants: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that has a woman pastor: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)

Now, some may call these “bold” statements, but they really aren’t.
(Because the Bible clearly teaches that water baptism, is by immersion only!)
(Also, the Bible nowhere condones, the practice of infant baptism!) Not one time.
(And the Bible, makes it very clear, that a woman is forbidden, to pastor a Church!)
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Let's start with baptism. Many, many people were baptized in the Nile during the early church days. Except for the rainy season the Nile is usually knee deep or less in most places. How did they get completely immersed in those situations? Lets look at what baptism is, a public pronouncement of our repentance, and being saved, right? Somehow I think Jesus is more concerned with us actually getting saved than how the water covers us. As for infants, the only thing I've seen is a dedication ceremony where the baby is sprinkled or anointed and the parents vow to raise the child in the church. I see nothing wrong with this, but I agree that it's no substitute for baptism when he or she gets saved. Women, here's my take on that. I believe that the Lord has raised some women to preach because we men have dropped the ball and not heeded his call, so he chose someone who was willing to step up and do his work, it wouldn't be the first time.

When it comes down to it, do you think any of these things have anything to do with our salvation?

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[bigape]

Hello again Graybeard


Let me start, with your last question.......

“When it comes down to it, do you think any of these things have anything to do with our salvation?”

Of course not.
But the question you asked me was, “What is a Bible believing Church?”

And my answer was, a Bible believing Church, is one that adheres to the Bible.
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As for your statement......

“How did they get completely immersed in those situations?”

Just as today, if for some reason a person can’t be baptized in water, than lets put if off, until the baptistery if fixed, or the lake thaws out, etc.

It is our first act of obedience, after we are saved, but only if it can be done.
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When I brought up “infant baptism”, I wasn’t talking about “dedication” services.

I don’t think that they are a very good idea, but they are not considered baptisms.
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And as for women preachers:
The Bible says what it means and means what it says.

Women are not permitted to be pastors.

     1 Timothy 2:12
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

God will never call a woman to be a pastor, because this would be going against His own Word.


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[Graybeard]

1 Timothy 2:12
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

What about Deborah? She most definitely had authority over men and was anointed by God.

BTW, I'm not trying to mess with you, I just like to know how people shape their thoughts. I'll give you something I have a feeling you believe. You say people don't speak in tongues anymore, correct?

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[bigape]

Hi Graybeard

Sorry that it took so long for me to get back to you.

You asked.......

“I'll give you something I have a feeling you believe. You say people don't speak in tongues anymore, correct? “

Well to be more precise, I don’t believe that anyone in the Bible, ever spoke in tongues like people do today.

The Bible makes it very clear, that this gift, was the ability to speak in an earthly language, that you previously didn’t know.

This stuff that they call tongues today, is totally man made.


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[moondance27]

Hi Graybeard

Nice to hear from you.

Your first asked........

“Why did you use verses 23 and 24? Those deal with our everday living, not just church.”

Well, it has to do with context.
The first reason, is because verses 23 & 24 don’t end with a period “.” .
(Which tells you right off, that they all go together).

Secondly, “hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering”, is one of the reasons we should go to Church.
(People who drop out of Church, will start “wavering” in their faith!)

Thirdly, the statement, “let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works”, is laterally accomplished by going to Church.
(We can’t encourage people to live for the Lord, if we aren’t doing it.)
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Your next question was.......

“What kind of Church doesn't believe the Bible”

This is a great question.

What it comes down to is, the difference between a Church’s profession and their practice.

A Church may profess to be a “Bible believing Church”, but the things they do, will determine if they really are.

There are so many examples of this, it is difficult of point out just a few. (But here goes.)

Any Church, that doesn’t baptize by immersion: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that baptizes infants: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that has a woman pastor: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)

Now, some may call these “bold” statements, but they really aren’t.
(Because the Bible clearly teaches that water baptism, is by immersion only!)
(Also, the Bible nowhere condones, the practice of infant baptism!) Not one time.
(And the Bible, makes it very clear, that a woman is forbidden, to pastor a Church!)
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Now I know, that countless millions of people, attend Churches that practice one of more of these things:
 But does that make it right?!?!


My advice to these people, is if your going to believe and follow “the Bible”, than do it.

Good Grief, then most of the christians in the world do not attend a "bible church" tsince the majority of christians in the world are Catholic.  What garbage.  Truly sanctimonious on your part.  People like you, religious fanatics, are why there is so little tolerance in this world and why there will always be wars. 

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[moondance27]

Any Church, that doesn’t baptize by immersion: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that baptizes infants: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)
Any Church, that has a woman pastor: (Is not a Bible believing Church!)

Now, some may call these “bold” statements, but they really aren’t.
(Because the Bible clearly teaches that water baptism, is by immersion only!)
(Also, the Bible nowhere condones, the practice of infant baptism!) Not one time.
(And the Bible, makes it very clear, that a woman is forbidden, to pastor a Church!)
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Let's start with baptism. Many, many people were baptized in the Nile during the early church days. Except for the rainy season the Nile is usually knee deep or less in most places. How did they get completely immersed in those situations? Lets look at what baptism is, a public pronouncement of our repentance, and being saved, right? Somehow I think Jesus is more concerned with us actually getting saved than how the water covers us. As for infants, the only thing I've seen is a dedication ceremony where the baby is sprinkled or anointed and the parents vow to raise the child in the church. I see nothing wrong with this, but I agree that it's no substitute for baptism when he or she gets saved. Women, here's my take on that. I believe that the Lord has raised some women to preach because we men have dropped the ball and not heeded his call, so he chose someone who was willing to step up and do his work, it wouldn't be the first time.

When it comes down to it, do you think any of these things have anything to do with our salvation?

The catholic church baptises by sprinkle of water....it is not a dedication ceremony, it is the first sacrement, then the act of reconciliation, first communion, confirmation (when they are admitted as adults into the church), then there is marriage and the annointing of the dead.  I'm missing one, it's been a long time since I was a practicing catholic.

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[bigape]

Hi moondance27


Nice to hear from you.

All I am saying, is “The Bible’s instructions”, are more important than “religious instructions”.

And when “religious instructions”, contradict the Bible, it hurts everyone in that religion.
      Mark 7:7
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.”


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[moondance27]

Hi moondance27


Nice to hear from you.

All I am saying, is “The Bible’s instructions”, are more important than “religious instructions”.

And when “religious instructions”, contradict the Bible, it hurts everyone in that religion.
      Mark 7:7
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.”

No, what you are doing is judging millions of christians and saying they are not christians....you are promoting a sanctimonious view that you are right and everyone else is wrong and therefore they are going to hell and you're are not.  I have to agree with Graybeard on this one.  and I'm an atheist.

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[Graybeard]

What about Deborah? She most definitely had authority over men and was anointed by God.

You didn't answer the important question. I'm heading out the door to the Smokey Mountains, so I'll talk with ya'll later. I keep dragging my feet  cause I hate starting out on a trip on my bike in the rain. 

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[Right Conspiracy]

What about Deborah? She most definitely had authority over men and was anointed by God.

You didn't answer the important question. I'm heading out the door to the Smokey Mountains, so I'll talk with ya'll later. I keep dragging my feet  cause I hate starting out on a trip on my bike in the rain. 

Deborah was indeed a judge with authority.  The NT makes it plain there can be no women preachers. There is a difference in civil authorities and and women having authority and preaching in church.

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[bigape]

Hi Graybeard

I just got back from vacation, and started to answer your question, but saw that “Right Conspiracy”, had already done an excellent job.

Thank you Right Conspiracy.
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I would only add, that the instructions that women received in the New Testament, do not apply to women in the Old Testament, because they had not been written yet.


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[Graybeard]

Deborah was not only a civil leader, she was also a spiritual leader. The following is a quote from a web page about Deborah that both you and RC will have to agree coincides with the Bible.


The first thing that becomes obvious about the story of Deborah is how much it is like the story of Christ. Over and over again in the Old Testament, we see the Israelites ending up oppressed, often as a consequence of their own actions. And over and over again, we see God send a deliverer to rescue the Israelites. God seems to enjoy sending deliverers that the people would not expect. They certainly couldn’t have expected a woman to deliver them from the Canaanites. Jesus was not the Messiah that the Pharisees expected either. Yet, both deliverers got the job done.

Read more here: The Old Testament: Deborah the Judge

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