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How Global warming and Polics can impact your life
« on: May 18, 2008, 12:04:54 PM »
It looks like the two major candidates for the presidency this fall will both have fighting global warming as one of their goals for their administration if they are elected.
   
That is hardly surprising from the Democratic side of the ticket, which is likely to be filled by Senator Barack Obama. He has indicated that global warming is a serious world problem and that steps must be taken to reduce "greenhouse gases."
 
Senator Hillary Clinton, who now seems very unlikely to prevail in the nomination contest, also is strong supporter of measures against global warming, as are most Democratic politicians.
 
What is surprising, however, is the presumed Republican candidate, Arizona's Senator John McCain, is also on the global warming bandwagon. In fact, he made a point of poking the George Bush administration in the eye on the issue in a recent speech.
   
The president has questioned the validity of global warming in the past and opposes stringent measures to reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which scientists have identified as a cause of the increasing global temperature.
 
The Associated Press reported that McCain pointedly said he would provide the kind of leadership that has been lacking on global warming, "I will not permit eight long years to pass without serious action on serious challenges (like global warming). I will not accept the same dead-end of failed diplomacy that claimed Kyoto."
 
The 1997 Kyoto Agreement imposed stringent restrictions on nations to force reduction of greenhouse gases. It went into effect in 2005 with more than 170 nations having signed it, but the United States has never ratified it.
 
McCain's position on global warming is not a typical one for his political party, and conservative talk show hosts have harangued him for his "liberal" position on the issue. It confirms their belief that the Arizona senator is not a true conservative.
 
McCain is trying to deflect that criticism by presenting his position as being marketplace oriented. He supports a so-called cap-and-trade greenhouse gas emissions program - as does Obama.
 
Under that arrangement, industries would be given emissions limits by the government that they would have to meet. However, if one industry did better than another, it could sell its surplus polluting capacity to industries that did not meet their limits.
 
"As never before, the market would reward any person or company that seeks to invent, improve or acquire alternatives to carbon-based energy," he said in his speech.
 
McCain argues there is no doubt that the planet is warming, although some continue to doubt it. And even if it is, some believe natural forces beyond the control of humans are the major cause and human steps to correct warming are pointless.
 
In the senator's view, it makes no difference whether global warming exists or not because whatever steps we take to deal with it will improve the environment anyway, and that is a good thing. But that is the major kink in his policy. It does make a difference that we have this policy right.
 
The proposals to control greenhouse gases are not minor steps. They would put severe limits on our industrial capabilities and endanger our economic well-being. They would also result in substantial costs which all of us would end up paying.
 
To the "true believers" that doesn't matter, but why impose that kind of harm without absolute certainty?
 
Unfortunately, it appears that there will be a major push by the White House on global warming after President Bush leaves office, no matter who is living there.global warming

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2009, 06:34:50 PM »
I read your referenced article, pobaby, and it was what I would expect from the Washington Times. You know it was founded by the self-acclaimed savior of the world, the Korean Sun Myung Moon, and the last I heard, the paper was still funded by his foundation. I don't know how many followers he has now, but at one time at least some of them dabbled in mind control. How do I know that? There were several "moonies" in a mind control seminar I once attended.

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2009, 09:08:09 PM »
Libby, after the last post it seems you don't read newspapers moon owns. I understand your not wanting to.(for philosophical reasons) Does that also mean that upi is not a reliable news source?

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 11:34:24 AM »
Oh Oh Al and Libby. Better change that line from "global warming crisis" to "global freezing crisis". I know you libs have to have something to be scared of.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0


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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 11:59:52 AM »
Gray, I'll limit this to Sun Myung Moon. I am not revealing anything that is not public knowledge when I say that he is not just some loony preacher. He has a lot of  money and has been known to get involved in world politics. He was very well known in high places in DC in the fairly recent past.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 02:42:45 PM »
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Gray, I'll limit this to Sung Myung Moon.


That's why I asked the question about UPI. It's under the same umbrella.

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 11:10:26 AM »
Gray, I'll limit this to Sung Myung Moon. I am not revealing anything that is not public knowledge when I say that he is not just some loony preacher. He has a lot of  money and has been known to get involved in world politics. He was very well known in high places in DC in the fairly recent past.

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If you read the article, it quotes others. The article is quoting other people. The rev. is not adding anything to it. I would believe this paper way before I believed the NY Times who we know has a agenda. Getting involved in world politics? What about George Soros who owns the democrat party, you guys never mention him. Why?

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 06:01:40 PM »
Tony/Gray: I didn't respond to points made (or not) in the article po provided. I responded to his use of the Washington Times as a credible source for anything. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 06:07:46 PM »
Tony/Gray: I didn't respond to points made (or not) in the article po provided. I responded to his use of the Washington Times as a credible source for anything. 

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It's more credible than the NY Times. Ever seen anything written by the rev. in the paper?  They have responsible, professional writers working there.

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 06:37:57 PM »
"It's more credible than the NY Times."

Depends on who's doin' the readin,' Tony.

As far as I know the "rev" doesn't write. If you want to learn a lot about him, go to the search engine "ask" and type in Sun Myung Moon. (I changed the spelling of his first name in my posts above. It's "Sun" not "Sung.")

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 06:44:04 PM »
Tony/Gray: I didn't respond to points made (or not) in the article po provided. I responded to his use of the Washington Times as a credible source for anything. 

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I'll ask once more, using your reasoning does that mean the UPI isn't a credible news source? They're both under the same umbrella, so wouldn't you apply the same standard to both? If not, wouldn't that be like saying for instance, I trust the quality of Fords, but I'd be afraid to drive a Lincoln?

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2009, 10:47:40 AM »
Gray, I don't have the time to argue with you ad infinitum, but I will say this about that "umbrella": Yes, UPI, a once respectable newswire service, is now owned (as is The Washington Times) by Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church. That says all I need to know.

United Press International (UPI) is a news agency headquartered in the U.S., with roots dating back to 1907. Once a mainstay in the newswire service, along with AP and Reuters, it began to decline as afternoon newspapers, its chief client category, began to fall with the rising popularity of television news. This decline accelerated after the sale of UPI by the founding Scripps family, culminating in two bankrupticies. In 2000 UPI was purchased by News World Communications, a media company owned by Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.

Source: ask (search engine): UPI

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