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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 10:11:01 AM »
This valley is believed to be where Hell is considered to be derived from.

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Yes. In what religion would you like to know that believe in Hell?

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 10:18:47 AM »
This valley is believed to be where Hell is considered to be derived from.

 Do you have more information on this?

Yes. In what religion would you like to know that believe in Hell?

The one where you say the valley is where hell is derived from.

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 10:24:11 AM »
 :christmas-tree-icon:

Jeremiah 10 and Christmas Trees
Christians opposed to Christmas have often argued that Jeremiah condemns Christmas trees. They believe that Jeremiah 10:2-4 is quite plain — Christmas trees are sinful. But are these Christmas critics correct? Does Jeremiah 10:2-4 actually condemn the setting up of Christmas trees?

The King James Version reads: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen.... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." On the surface it does seem that Jeremiah is describing Christmas trees. But let's look deeper.

An important key to understanding any passage is to pay careful attention to its context. Verses 2 through 4 of Jeremiah 10 are part of a larger context. That larger context is verses 1 through 16. In these verses Jeremiah proclaims the Lord as the only God. "No one is like you, O Lord; you are great, and your name is mighty in power. Who should not revere you, O King of the nations? This is your due.... The Lord is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King.... God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding" (verses 6-7, 10, 12, NIV).

The gods that pagans worship are nothing compared to the Lord. "These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens" (verse 11). They are mere images made by men and women. "Every goldsmith is shamed by his idols. His images are a fraud; they have no breath in them. They are worthless, the objects of mockery" (verses 14-15).

Gold is not the only substance used to make idols. Verses 8 and 9 speak of "worthless wooden idols" on which workmen place hammered silver and gold, and rich apparel. When we consider that these verses condemn idolatry, we can understand what Jeremiah meant when he said "the customs of the peoples are worthless" (verse 3). No wonder he tells us not to "learn the way of the nations" (verse 2).

Turning to translations other than the King James also helps our understanding. Where the King James reads "one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe" (verse 3), the New International Version says "they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel." The tool referred to in the passage is not a woodsman's tool, but that of a wood carver. Most modern English translations agree with the NIV.

Jeremiah is not condemning Christmas trees. He is condemning idolatry. The trees in Jeremiah 10 are cut down to carve them into worthless idols that will later be decorated with gold and silver. Jeremiah says nothing about Christmas trees. That custom originated in northern Europe, not in ancient Palestine.
 
http://www.wcg.org/lit/church/holidays/trees.htm

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2010, 10:28:29 AM »
Do you not believe in answering questions? :1:  I swear you remind me of a poster who could twist things completely around at whim.  Did you take lessons from her? *stars&

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2010, 10:30:50 AM »
Do you not believe in answering questions? :1:  I swear you remind me of a poster who could twist things completely around at whim.  Did you take lessons from her? *stars&


I thought Tony was a guy.

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2010, 10:31:54 AM »
This valley is believed to be where Hell is considered to be derived from.

 Do you have more information on this?

Yes. In what religion would you like to know that believe in Hell?

The one where you say the valley is where hell is derived from.


Main article: Jewish eschatology
This article is about the Jewish term loosely analogous to the concept of "Hell". For other uses, see Gehenna (disambiguation).
 
Valley of Hinnom, c. 1900Gehenna, gehinnam, or gehinnom (Hebrew: גהנום, גהנם, Greek γέεννα) are terms derived from a geographical site in Jerusalem known as the Valley of Hinnom, one of the two principal valleys surrounding the Old City.

According to parts of the bible, the site was initially where followers of various Ba'als, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6 The valley later became the common wasteyard for all the refuse of Jerusalem. Here the corpses and ashes of animals and people, as well as wastes and garbage were cast and, according to legend, consumed by a constant fire.[citation needed]

In time it became deemed to be accursed and an image of the place of destruction in Jewish folklore[1][2]. However, Jewish folklore suggests the valley had a 'gate' which led down to a molten lake of fire (see Sheol).

Eventually the Hebrew term Gehinnom[3] became a figurative name for the place of spiritual purification for the wicked dead in Judaism, a site at the greatest possible distance from heaven. According to most Jewish sources, the period of purification or punishment is limited to only 12 months and every shabbath day is excluded from punishment.[4] After this the soul will ascend to Olam Ha-Ba, the world to come, or will be destroyed if it is severely wicked.[5]

Gehenna is cited in the New Testament and in early Christian writing to represent the final place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed after resurrection.

In both Rabbinical Jewish and Christian writing, Gehenna as a destination of the wicked is different from Hades, the abode of the dead, and is but loosely analogous to the concept of Hell.
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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2010, 10:33:00 AM »
Do you not believe in answering questions? :1:  I swear you remind me of a poster who could twist things completely around at whim.  Did you take lessons from her? *stars&


Why are so impatient?

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2010, 10:36:52 AM »
there are just so many thing wrong with the article pasted, but, I must be going.

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2010, 10:41:33 AM »
Do you not believe in answering questions? :1:  I swear you remind me of a poster who could twist things completely around at whim.  Did you take lessons from her? *stars&


Why are so impatient?

Impatient?  If I was counting on your answers to make a living, I would starve to death. *18*

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2010, 12:16:52 PM »
Do you not believe in answering questions? :1:  I swear you remind me of a poster who could twist things completely around at whim.  Did you take lessons from her? *stars&


Why are so impatient?

Impatient?  If I was counting on your answers to make a living, I would starve to death. *18*


Nuh uh you got your veggie plants.   :sneeky:  @#  *en*

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »
Do you think we keep to the true meaning of the Holiday if we use XMAS?  Does it take the Christ out of Christmas?  Why is this important?  Does the Bible tell us to Celebrate Christ's birthday or is it all Commercial?  If it is all Commercial has it always been this way?  If not when did it change?

Fascinating query notatroll.

I used to be of a mind that one should never abbreviate Christmas to XMAS...but i find myself doing it all the time...it's just a time thing...quicker to do the abbr. thingie.

Of course, what was the Birth of Jesus Holy Day is just another reason to sell cards and buy gifts. I have NO problemo with either, although many folks go into debt to do the "gifting" thing. I am no Bible expert, but I do believe it does talk about trying not to get too far into debt...Owe no man, or something to that effect. And to owe no man is also a practical issue too. Once you get your head too far under the waterfalls of debt, it's HELL on Earth, maybe the rest of your born days.

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2010, 03:34:16 PM »
I am surprised that it has not been mentioned in this thread that Xmas is the equivalent of C'mas.  The X being the Greek letter chi which is the first letter of Cristos in Greek (Χριστος).  From Wikipedia:

The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ"), and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2010, 03:50:45 PM »
ndaoway, quite a first post there. Thanks, I learned something from you there.

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Re: Christmas or Xmas?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2010, 04:46:33 PM »
Do you not believe in answering questions? :1:  I swear you remind me of a poster who could twist things completely around at whim.  Did you take lessons from her? *stars&


Why are so impatient?

Impatient?  If I was counting on your answers to make a living, I would starve to death. *18*


Good thing you stored extra body fat then.

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